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Talking Dead with Ambrosia: Too Far Gone

Warning: Ahead be Spoilers
 And lots of them.  By now you all know Talking Dead, and if you don’t, you’re an idiot, you know it talks about the episode that just aired, and since I’m posting here as if I’m in that conversation, clearly I will be talking about the episode. I’m gonna go ahead and make this extra long just in case you ignored the warning and you’re glancing down anyway, just trying to make sure you don’t see anything that you’re not “supposed” to, so that you can’t turn around and bitch and complain that you saw spoilers here. If you’re still reading now, anything from here on out is your own fault, suckas! 

This was… wow. Okay. Where do I start? I’m jumping ahead of Talking Dead and I just want to discuss the show, like, live.
First off, the little pep talk that the Governor gives his people – and make no mistake about it, telling Hershel not to call you the Governor doesn’t suddenly make you not the Governor. Lily is starting to see through him, which is great. From that exact moment I started to get a little tingly.

Daryl’s reaction to Carol was a little…anticlimactic. But I imagine at that point he’s just like, well, it’s done. There’s not a whole lot I can do about it now. I like that he decided to go tell Tyreese, and didn’t just send Rick to go do it. Lauren Cohan’s feeling that Daryl wanted to be part of the decision makes a lot of sense, and I agree that it’s an excellent point that when the Governor showed up, Rick was suddenly, ‘I don’t make the decisions, the council does.’ Well… Carol was part of that council. She made a decision. You’re the one who vetoed it. So… Who makes decisions?

By the way, has anyone figured out if Michonne was on the council?

“I have a tank!” Okay, Guv’nah, if we’re done measuring penis sizes here, can we get on with things? The speeches that the Gov and Rick delivered to each other were poetic, and honestly, I would be interested to see them all trying to coexist n the prison together. Almost like a revisitation to the beginning of Season 3, when we first meet Axel, Oscar, Andrew and their douchebag leader. Anyway, the best part of that whole thing was this overwhelming sense that you knew – you just knew – someone was dying in the next five minutes.  Scratch that, the best part was Daryl taking the bin of guns, all ‘doo-de-doo, nothing to see here,’ while he’s arming everyone.

Once again though, the more important of a character you are, the more dramatic of a death you have to have. Hershel bravely trying to drag himself away, despite knowing that he was done for… Even though I knew it was all coming… I jumped at every swing of that sword. Tara and Lily were both like, ‘uh, no, I’m good,’ at this point, which, again, made me feel tingly. At this point I wondered if they would run to the prison camp for protection, and maybe to join them. Either way, it’s obvious at this point we’re having a moment similar to the end of Season 3,  after the Gov has gunned everyone down, and they find Karen and she explains what happened to Tyreese and Sasha.

Not sure what was up with all the storm-trooper firing, these people couldn’t hit shit. I couldn’t believe that the bus left, but then again, they had to do what they had to do, right? Good on Lizzie for that headshot. Sweet revenge by Michonne, though I would have preferred her to take out his other eye first, then run him through. My friend that I was watching with suggested that she should have cut off his arms and jaw and made him her new pet. I was actually expecting Carl to shoot the Governor off Rick, similar to the way he saved Rick from walker Shane back in Season 2, but this works. Michonne had to have a hand in taking the Gov out, it was only right. And it was fitting for Lily to pull the final trigger, literally and figuratively. The way he just put Megan down without a word, no sympathy, nothing, when Lily brought her to him… it was good for her to be the one to go, okay, boom. Loved Carl kind of losing his shit for a second thnking Judith is dead, a good foil to Rick losing his mind after finding out Lori was dead.

However, they’re all scattered again, similarly to the end of Season 2, with the exception being that in 2, they all headed off in the same direction (except Andrea). We’ve got:
1. Michonne. Where the hell did she go after helping Rick?
2. Rick and Carl. And Rick is wounded. Pretty badly. Carl’s got the only weapon.
3. Daryl and Beth. Both armed, both unscathed.
4. Maggie, Sasha, and Bob. All armed, but Bob’s got that gunshot wound.
5. Tyreese, Lizzie, and her sister. Everyone’s in one piece, I believe. But are they in the prison? Lizzie said they had to defend it.
6. Judith. Um… where did she disappear to?
7. The other 2 kids that were previously carrying Judith
8. Bus full of randos and Glenn
9. Tara and Lily

With everyone separated, where does that leave us? And there’s still the ultimate unknown out there, Carol. Will someone run into Carol? Melissa McBride is still part of the opening credits, with I know doesn’t sound like a big deal, but keep in mind that Sonequa Martin-Green (Sasha) is still in the post-break credits, implying that she’s not a regular character, despite the fact that she’s been in every episode this season (except the obvious ones where no one from the prison was), and once again, she’s on the council. Then again, David Morrissey, ended up in the opening credits, even though he was only in three episodes, plus a 15-second appearance in one more.

A funny moment on Talking Dead, all the praise for Jeffrey DeMunn as Dale… he said he wanted to leave in solidarity with the exit of previous director Frank Darabont, and then he changed his mind, but the producers were like, no, fuck you, you’re out. And…isn’t Robert Kirkman one of those producers?

I can’t even begin to get into how moved Lauren Cohan was by the whole thing, but I did even comment to my friend, about that ‘last dinner’ that they all have together on the last day of shooting with whoever died? I bet that one was really emotional. I can’t imagine it not. And it goes to show what a fan favorite Hershel is that his death nearly overshadowed everything. I mean, other than the fact that the prison is lost and everyone is scattered, was anything else in that episode as important? Even the excitement over the Governor dying doesn’t quite quell the pain.

I think the idea of the ‘one-two’ punch for the Governor’s death is very satisfying. Everyone got their licks in that needed to, although I think Daryl and Maggie deserved a shot at him too. David Morrissey definitely brought such… such je nais se quoi to the role that you can’t help but like him, then you hate that you like him, so his death had to be a dramatic send off. It would have felt empty if it was quick.

Questions: Why did the Governor want the prison after saying it wasn’t safe last season?
Well, in agreement with both Robert and Lauren, yes, the Gov just needed something to do, something to take over, and yes, anything with walls is better than what he had now, and he only thought it was unsafe compared to what he had in Woodbury.  However, my opinion is that he didn’t think the prison was safe and defensible, but then he saw that it was when he attacked it. For all we know, at that point he already decided on the prison as a back-up plan if necessary.

I was happy that they pointed out that the walker they zoomed in on at the end was Clara, because we had forgotten about, my friend and I. We turned to each other and said, “Lori?” “Janis Joplin?”

So the first half of the season has ended with us still not knowing what the deal is with the rats, but yet raised a further question of who the f is dissecting them? And what exactly does Bob have in that box of his. Booze? Rats? Furthermore, what came first, the rats being fed to the walkers, or the rat that was autopsied?

All I know is this, February 9 can’t come fast enough.


Talking Dead with Ambrosia: Live Bait & Dead Weight

Okay. So there’s the usual spoiler alert stuff, which I’m skipping, because if you haven’t figured it out yet you’re never going to.

I was going to just wait and do all three weeks with the mid-season break, but, I decided with these two being Governor-centric, and then the sweeps episode picking up with the prison camp again, I’d do them separately. Better late than never, right?

I honestly don’t have that much to say about Live Bait. It was good, for lack of a better word, to see what he was doing, what he was up to after the slaughter at the end of last season. I was happy to see that Martinez and Bowman had ditched his ass, but I was so intrigued when he fell into his own stupid trap and then Martinez popped up. I was like WHAT!!!!!

The fact that he burned Woodbury down, I think is simply the whole, if I can’t have it, neither can you. The women that he took up with, I’m not surprised that he got Ol’ Rapey Eye. He clearly separated himself as Brian from the Governor, but it definitely started to meld back together. I don’t think there’s a lot to say about that episode. It was relatively straightforward.

But then you move on to Dead Weight. And now, it’s the Governor again.

First off, let me jump to the end: Now he’s creating a much larger aquarium? Ugh. Dude’s a fucking lunatic.

I loved the new Martinez, and I love Jose Pablo Cantillo, so it was shitty to see him go. The fact that he did get a memorable send-off definitely goes to show how that he had some kind of standing with the fans. He didn’t get an off-camera death like Bowman (that was the big silent black guy) or just a quick death like the massacre the Governor laid on his crew. Even the guy that had come with Sasha and Tyrese, the one who stayed with the Governor after Tyrese and Sasha left, he actually had lines, he was someone we knew, but he was just gunned down with the rest of them, like it was nothing.

Fred Armisen made an excellent point, that the Governor is a psycho all along, and he’s using his new little family as a means to an end, that he feels he has to keep them safe, and this is how he has to do it.

Another episode that speaks for itself though. So let’s just get to the important part:

Did the Governor or Mitch kill all those people at that other camp? It could have been Mitch, he did go off by himself. I’m about 12% sure it was one of them. The remaining 88%? Whoever killed them is the same person feeding rats to the walkers outside the fence.

Here’s hoping we find out who the rat-feeder is tonight. Although I doubt it. 😦

Talking Dead with Ambrosia: Welcome to the Tombs

Warning: Here be spoilers. If you are familiar with the Talking Dead, you know it talks about the episode that just aired, and since I’m posting here as if I’m in that conversation, clearly I will be talking about the episode.

Oh. Em. Gee. I don’t even know where to start. I’ll have to talk about the episode in general, because so many things came to me during this episode. I don’t even know it I can keep up with the show itself. I really might have to just freestyle this. I apologize in advance because I know I’m going to be all over the place.

Let me start with Carl, and something that Yvette Nicole Brown just brought up, Carl is really becoming a little Governor. One of the best features in great literature (and even in good movies) is the foil. The foil is that character that is pretty much the same as another, or completely opposite but has the same kind of relation to the protagonist. For instance, a pop culture reference that we’ll all know: Pirates of the Caribbean. The two pirates (the character names elude me at the moment), the short guy and the guy with the wooden eye are the foils to the two members of the Royal Navy – you know which ones – the ones that Jack first encounters at the very beginning. Those ones are pretty obvious though. More serious foils are in Jane Eyre. The cousins that she lives with at the beginning, versus the cousins when she leaves Thornfield. Anyway, that’s Carl at the moment. He is the foil to the Governor.

When Rick and the Governor have their meeting in the barn, Herschel and Milton have their bonding moment, because they are clearly each other’s foils, being men of science, in a general sense. Herschel has been Rick’s moral barometer for awhile, and Milton, while not having any influence on the Governor so much, is definitely in contrast to his morality. Milton’s reactions to the Governor are really giveaways for how far off the deep end the Governor is going.  Daryl and Martinez have their little hunting party, share a cig, and really, that’s pretty obvious. SO we just assume that Rick and the Governor are each other’s foils.




But as this unravels, it’s becoming clear that Carl is truly the mini-Governor. He’s been increasingly cold this entire season, and now he’s all about killing people in cold blood. The discussion with Rick about all the people that Rick didn’t kill and then they came back to kill later – especially given the stretches (Andrew killed your mom? Sure it wasn’t your baby sister? How long until Carl turns his anger on Judith) he comes up with to justify his rage – Carl is really coming across as very psychopathic. He’s shown now that he’ll blatantly lie his ass off to justify his actions. When he says Jody drew on him, it’s an exact parallel to when the Governor returns to Woodbury after the first attack on the prison, and he says that he went there to talk and they fired on him. Then when they bring the bus in at the end, and he’s all “What is this?” I was hearing “What the fuck is this all about, Dad?”  I wanted Rick to be like, “Watch your mouth, boy!”

They just brought up an intersesting point about Shane maybe having more of an influence on Carl than Rick, and while on one hand, I’m sure Carl is just a product of his circumstances, I am inclined to agree. Think back to Season 2 when they had Randy locked up in the barn, and Carl stole Daryl’s gun and was threatening Randy. That was all Shane. Come to think of it, Shane might be the pre-cursor to the Governor.

Speaking of the Governor, seriously, WHERE IS HE?! Is he going to set up shop somewhere else and brainwash more people? This is obviously not the end of him. Will Martinez and Big Silent Black Man turn on him? I wonder if the next season will open with them.

Milton and Andrea. Aw Milton. He’s definitely found a special little place in my heart, and I’m devastated to see him go. When the Governor handed him the knife, I initially thought he would just kill himself, but I guess in a roundabout way, he did. Had he killed himself, he would have left Andrea at the Gov’s mercy. You have to wonder if he knew that he was going to be in this situation, and that’s why he left the pliers there for Andrea. And then Andrea… I feel like we all knew she was going to die, but we weren’t sure if it was going to be at the Gov’s torturous hands, or what was going to happen, and I feel it was both bittersweet and somehow comforting for her to go by her own hand. I honestly don’t know how much more I can say about this topic. It was intense. It was good that in the end it was her and Milton together.

And finally, I want to end with the creepy caller. I do believe this is a summary of something in Revelations, but I’m probably wrong. Either way, the question is, was that a joke or some total religious wackjob?

Talking Dead with Ambrosia: This Sorrowful Life

Warning: Here be spoilers. If you are familiar with the Talking Dead, you know it talks about the episode that just aired, and since I’m posting here as if I’m in that conversation, clearly I will be talking about the episode.

I’d like to open by saying, wow, I’m kind of stunned that Merle went out like that. And how badly do we all want to take Darryl in our arms right now and hold him close? Also, what’s more dangerous than a walker? Answer: One with a blade for a hand, that’s what.

I want to know what YOU guys think regarding the poll question:

I personally feel he’ll be cold and withdrawn. Maybe a mix of going crazy like Rick, but where Rick went nuts immediately, I think it’s going to come out of Daryl randomly.

I adore David Morrissey for the simple fact that he really is so quiet and charming, and then he plays this evil son of a bitch – who bites off people’s fingers! Jeebus Christmas he’s crazier every episode.

Discussion: Glen proposed to Maggie!
Seriously, it was adorable, even though it was so ‘eh’ by him just pushing the ring into her hand, it was really pretty amazing in the sense that he doesn’t have to ask. They were both on the same page so much that words were unnecessary. Zombie apocalypse or not, the two of them, even while in the middle of a fight, have been so in sync with each other (I almost typed nsync, haha) that it almost didn’t matter what was going on around them. A lot of people say that Judith is the symbol of hope in the group, but I think it’s Glen and Maggie.

Discussion: The Governor chasing Andrea in the truck
What I want to know is, how the balls did the Guv’nah just get out of that warehouse and in the truck so fast that he was able to track her down. Also… WHY THE FUCK DIDN’T SHE TAKE THE TRUCK? (at this, I imagine they would all laugh, especially Reggie Watts)

Discussion: Rick
(Almost in reply to Greg Nicotero) I think Rick has changed the most this season than he has in any other. He was so much about saving his own people, and his own ass, that he wasn’t willing to let anyone else in, to coming full circle back to the person he used to be, the person he asked Herschel to be last season, the person who takes people in. He’s since come to realize that Michonne is part of the family, and much like High School Musical, they’re al in this together.

Discussion: Merle’s Death
First off, Michael Rooker is hysterical. Honestly, I don’t think I could have ever expected such an emotional response to Merle’s death. I think it was just the way he bit it. Had he gone down in a shoot-out or something with the Governor or some other survivor, maybe not as intense. Being taken out in such close proximity by the Governor, and then left to become a walker… ugh. Shot through the chest instead of the head, so awful. Daryl’s reaction – from the second he realizes his brother has turned to falling on the ground after killing him – was definitely the most beautiful thing I’ve seen Norman Reedus do. I mean, that first scene when he takes crying Judith in his arms was pretty lovely, but this was just pure rawness.

“I know what I’m poking when I poke it.” – I just about died there. Little Merle.

Questions: What would Governor be like if family survived? Was the torture chamber for Andrea all along?
Honestly, after hearing his bitch-fest (which for all we know, isn’t even true) about how he was in this shitty job working for a toddler boss (and I’ve been there), it seems like he was power-hungry from day one, and I’m sure he would similar. Maybe not to the extreme he is, but certainly he would be shooting for leadership.
Initially, I thought the chair was for walkers, but I’m inclined to agree with Morrissey, that it was for Michonne, likely from the very beginning, when she and Andrea first came to town and she was suspicious of him. Then when he wasn’t able to get her, he turned the rage upon Andrea, in light of her recent betrayal.

And now, regarding the preview of the finale. Number one, that throbbing music that often follows the Governor is heart-poundingly scary. It has nearly the same effect of the theme song for the Halloween movies. It’s effing scary.
Also, since they bring up Milton, he’s clearly starting to stand up for himself. I think/hope that next week he’ll rescue Andrea and they’ll be on the run. That will be the end of the show. Might be similar to the way she met Michonne, they’ll be surrounded by zombies, and then… Tyrese to the rescue! I can only hope, anyway.

Okay, that’s all for Talking Dead with Melissa Limasse. See you next week!

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